1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120 just gonna go okay like no no nothing I'll just plug this in and we hope it 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:12,660 works script no no nothing good good I love no script yeah no script is all we 3 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:18,000 do so I'm gonna point out three things and then I'll let you I'll let you answer 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,860 like three questions okay three things that are immediately obvious about you 5 00:00:21,860 --> 00:00:27,580 okay first you're a woman okay second you're Chinese yes and the third one is 6 00:00:27,580 --> 00:00:31,540 actually not obvious but you're an actual engineer as well yes talk to me 7 00:00:31,540 --> 00:00:36,280 about it all three whatever order you want okay okay 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:42,620 wait we already started sure what I told you oh my god oh my god I'm still 9 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:48,560 preparing prepare okay first time first I'm a woman yeah yeah but how come you 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,360 ended up in Sovereign Engineering like we have we have you you two X tower women 11 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:58,620 count yeah just by coming yeah yeah I was introduced by gsovereignty like we 12 00:00:58,620 --> 00:01:02,940 have been I don't know every friend at Bitcoin friends for a long time probably 13 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:07,220 probably more than three years at Hong Kong and he's kind of the person 14 00:01:07,220 --> 00:01:11,300 introduced me to the space all right yeah and yeah he's a very smart person 15 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:16,160 and I trust him I trust his technology taste and a lot of things and then he 16 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:21,540 told me like I was ending my contract last month and that's him like do you 17 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:26,100 need anything from my office you are going to move and then he said oh so 18 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:31,140 you're free now let's go let's go to Sovereign Engineering as it was it what what 19 00:01:31,140 --> 00:01:36,700 all right yeah that's how the story begins okay yeah for the woman's and I 20 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:41,260 don't know does it matter no how did you get interested in technology in the 21 00:01:41,260 --> 00:01:46,300 first place kind of well it's kind of like like the natural thing that when I 22 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:51,580 do the China’s SAT the China’s gaokao I was doing that math Olympics 23 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:56,660 previously okay so if I do math I can get extra point so I can go better 24 00:01:56,660 --> 00:02:02,300 University that is how I get into math major and my graduate I was like okay 25 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:07,180 computer is more fun than math it's like more complicated and did he did kind of 26 00:02:07,180 --> 00:02:11,860 was that an inborn interest or did your parents push you to do that or how does 27 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:17,060 it go how did they go for you I think it goes with natural like yeah when I do 28 00:02:17,060 --> 00:02:22,420 math at China the classmate is like 10 boys and one girl's 29 00:02:22,420 --> 00:02:26,340 become friends and we share about our interest and then yeah I was like oh this 30 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:31,180 is fun actually I get to know Bitcoin at the first day I get into university like 31 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:34,980 everyone yeah everyone's share about their interest where they come from this 32 00:02:34,980 --> 00:02:39,580 kind of introduction and there is one guy say my name is blah blah blah and the 33 00:02:39,580 --> 00:02:45,500 second sentence I think everyone in our generation should learn what is big okay 34 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:52,700 so you had a crazy guy I have no contact with him now probably he's super rich 35 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:58,100 now well when was that if I may ask like what he hasn't voting all right that's 36 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:02,340 early yeah that's very early okay so that was your first contact yes yes and 37 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:06,300 then what happened after well for for many years I only thought 38 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:13,020 Bitcoin as a ticker like like Tesla or Nvidia you can buy and sell yeah and 39 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:19,300 then like I met G he kind of like a guest lecturer at the university I went 40 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:25,300 to oh really yeah yeah professor cheese are seven the other one cost professor 41 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:32,620 is still professor yeah yeah so yeah and then one day he told me like oh I am 42 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:37,100 walking our project based on Nostr do you want to check what is it and I was 43 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:41,620 like it's natural what is Nostr and then I do some Google I download Damus I 44 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:47,580 find it's totally not useful and when was that it was like two years ago three 45 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:52,100 years ago two thousand twenty two one month before Jack Dorsey oh okay all 46 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:58,300 right yeah all right so you were earlier on Nostr as well yes earlier than Jack 47 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:05,380 I'm very proud yeah that's good that's good you should be yeah and yeah and then 48 00:04:05,380 --> 00:04:11,100 brought you back to the orange coin a little bit I guess the thing like I found 49 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:16,020 super weird about Nostr at that time is like everyone is talking about Bitcoin so 50 00:04:16,020 --> 00:04:21,980 actually very very yeah I thought I still like yeah you can still find my 51 00:04:21,980 --> 00:04:25,300 post at that moment probably like what is the difference between Bitcoin and 52 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:30,780 other coins oh I know that post it's it's Nostr famous yeah yeah yeah I mean 53 00:04:30,780 --> 00:04:38,140 like I like 300 people reply to it or something people recommend books and 54 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:45,740 oh my god what is this I started with Bitcoin and ask the right question yeah I 55 00:04:45,740 --> 00:04:49,100 hope everyone was kind of helpful 56 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:55,300 I don't know I mean I'm happy they didn't yell at me but yeah whatever yeah but my 57 00:04:55,300 --> 00:05:01,500 theory is um you cannot actually orange peel anyone the cool one yeah but what 58 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,220 you can do is you can you identify people who already accept this philosophy 59 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:09,340 and you tell the Bitcoin exists yeah Bitcoin adjacent people and then it's 60 00:05:09,340 --> 00:05:13,340 easier to walk through the door but you know there's the same for a reason you 61 00:05:13,340 --> 00:05:17,860 can lead a lead a horse to water but you can't make a drink you know it's like 62 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:21,300 that's the tiger so you're very sure in the end you can only orange peel yourself 63 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:27,180 yeah so how was how was the last six weeks for you so how was sovereign 64 00:05:27,180 --> 00:05:31,620 engineering for you what did you expect and kind of how did it go for you it's 65 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:40,900 amazing it has a lot of up and down like life yeah amazing yeah so I didn't work 66 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:47,140 on the technology side for a year before I come here so my original expectation 67 00:05:47,140 --> 00:05:52,100 is that I want to check about the latest thing what people are talking about or 68 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:58,500 if you are working on nowadays on Nostr and yeah I think I find something 69 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:04,220 super interesting like FIPS yeah yeah I don't think I will notice FIPS if I 70 00:06:04,220 --> 00:06:09,580 didn't come here yeah yeah FIPS is still very very niche it's still a small 71 00:06:09,580 --> 00:06:14,220 broad actually yeah kind of you know the moment when I and explain how FIPS 72 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:19,260 works on the whiteboard it gives me the same failing that the first time I try 73 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:23,900 to read NIP-01 the first time I try to figure out how people actually works 74 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:28,180 yeah something clicked so you understood that there's something there 75 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:33,140 yeah cool it just works yeah yeah how did it go for you week by week in terms 76 00:06:33,140 --> 00:06:37,820 of your demos and the things you wanted to show it's very intense and for the 77 00:06:37,820 --> 00:06:41,760 first three or four weeks I totally have no idea what I'm doing here yeah I 78 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,140 remember you told me the first week that you were like super super super nervous 79 00:06:45,140 --> 00:06:53,580 yes and sweating I'm thinking I'm the stupidest person in the whole room no don't worry there's always there's always someone more 80 00:06:53,580 --> 00:07:00,300 stupid never never be nervous but yeah but yeah yeah that is like it's like and 81 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:05,820 also like I don't like presentation that much yeah so but ultimately I understand 82 00:07:05,820 --> 00:07:11,060 it's it's not like a typical presentation it's more like you come here 83 00:07:11,060 --> 00:07:15,220 you do something and you show people how you do it it doesn't matter it's 84 00:07:15,220 --> 00:07:19,020 successful or not yes yes yeah that's the point this is just show people what 85 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:23,740 you do it could it even could be lines of code yeah I like the PR or whatever 86 00:07:23,740 --> 00:07:29,060 yeah yeah yeah nothing to show which means you have some problem exactly yeah 87 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:35,940 the point of the demos and it's kind of to like you said show what's inside you 88 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:40,940 show how you think show what kind of ideas you have yeah show what you want 89 00:07:40,940 --> 00:07:45,820 to bring into existence and so on yes and and with the with the artifact that's 90 00:07:45,820 --> 00:07:51,100 presented as the demo we have something to talk about and to discuss and then we 91 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:56,820 take it from there so it's just about literally kind of expressing yourself in 92 00:07:56,820 --> 00:08:01,660 terms of code and just pushing something out yeah exactly yeah yeah and how did it 93 00:08:01,660 --> 00:08:04,580 go then in the next couple of weeks because now you're not as nervous anymore 94 00:08:04,580 --> 00:08:09,540 I feel like you you warmed up to it punch out helps punch out yeah bunch of 95 00:08:09,540 --> 00:08:17,580 fixes fixes things really getting better is the week that Jonathan become the 96 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:22,900 captain yeah what he proposed like this week everyone should walk in team yes 97 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:27,140 yeah yeah there is the study everyone paired up right yes that's study point 98 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:32,900 for me to actually talk with people share about visions yeah talk about what 99 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:38,460 I want to do it doesn't matter it's stupid or not and we some I become 100 00:08:38,460 --> 00:08:43,700 friends with some of them we talk about life - yeah definitely helps oh yeah 101 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:46,740 absolutely no no you really get to know people like you like you said it's a 102 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:51,860 very intense multi-week thing and there is no escape you just you you get to 103 00:08:51,860 --> 00:08:56,020 know people and you share space a lot to walk up here actually the kind of all 104 00:08:56,020 --> 00:09:00,580 right well who did you end up pairing up with like who did you pair up with oh 105 00:09:00,580 --> 00:09:07,500 I am Arjen okay nice how was it what did you work on it's kind of like based on 106 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:13,100 Myco you build a file sharing system oh my not only share insights only your 107 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:17,820 apps yeah the first time I saw Myco was like oh this is air drop exactly it's 108 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:22,380 air drop for absent and other things and there is it only can share apps I was 109 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:29,620 like it doesn't make sense it should be able to share files 110 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:34,820 right yeah yeah yeah the funny thing is like Jonathan he tried to do something 111 00:09:34,820 --> 00:09:39,580 this is the story told me try to do something with I am like it's like some 112 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:44,580 like fifth doctor diagnosed website or whatever and then he decided oh I want 113 00:09:44,580 --> 00:09:49,380 to do something with Jeff Jeff G like they want they try to build White Noise 114 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:54,180 White Noise is that like face originally supported like yeah doesn't come in 115 00:09:54,180 --> 00:09:58,260 through really but community through FIPS yeah and then he talked with I I 116 00:09:58,260 --> 00:10:03,780 am fine and it's kind of like a breakup and after five minutes we were 117 00:10:03,780 --> 00:10:11,860 discussing about if we can do something over over Myco yeah yeah I see I 118 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:16,940 was walking to the table next to us say oh so you move on so fast yeah yeah 119 00:10:16,940 --> 00:10:25,620 things evolve very quickly what was what was something that impressed you this 120 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:30,700 cohort in terms of demos something that you saw that kind of stuck kept stuck in 121 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:37,140 your head it's more about like the energy the passion that everyone have 122 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:42,420 it's very rare in my daily life in my daily circle and walking along is hard 123 00:10:42,420 --> 00:10:47,060 sometimes a question of region question about should I do this should I do that 124 00:10:47,060 --> 00:10:53,940 yeah so it's very impressive that I was like how come so much engineer can get 125 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:58,020 there with so many people with similar mind it's yeah yeah it's just amazing 126 00:10:58,020 --> 00:11:05,460 yeah I think partly the answer to that this you have to have a special mental 127 00:11:05,460 --> 00:11:10,780 makeup to be interested in the Nostr and FIPS and especially like like 128 00:11:10,780 --> 00:11:13,740 bleeding-edge Nostr development in the first place you have to be kind of a 129 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:19,820 weird insane person you know and then if you do a thing and you you basically 130 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:23,460 tell everyone okay we just want to have these people and we're gonna lock 131 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:27,980 everyone on an island you know for like six weeks only only those kind of people 132 00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:33,980 sign up you know you have to be highly enthusiastic about about it otherwise 133 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:39,540 you wouldn't come yeah yeah it's a self-selecting filter that works really 134 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:42,500 well no and I'm really glad that it's working because we have like highly 135 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:50,220 highly motivated people yeah that's the point it's a point hard to get to and 136 00:11:50,220 --> 00:11:53,420 hard to leave because it's like if it would be easy to leave everyone would 137 00:11:53,420 --> 00:12:00,500 leave on like week two because it's just too weird in the beginning that's how it 138 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:07,860 goes so what's next for you oh that's a very good question um so before I come 139 00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:12,980 here I seriously think about if I don't have a first job people will look at me 140 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:22,460 and judge me and after this I don't care there's a great book on that written by 141 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:33,140 Richard Feynman the title is why do you care what other people think you live in 142 00:12:33,140 --> 00:12:42,780 a society yeah yeah yeah it's hard to just ignore you can how is it but 143 00:12:42,780 --> 00:12:49,780 you must be there must be some weird people that don't fit the norm in Hong 144 00:12:49,780 --> 00:12:54,020 Kong right like it's it's you're living in a place where you can't get away with 145 00:12:54,020 --> 00:12:58,420 whatever going full-time Bitcoin going full-time Nostr whatever you you want to 146 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:03,380 do no I I think it's more like a mental thing you stand up for the reality thing 147 00:13:03,380 --> 00:13:07,780 like the only one I need to convert convince is myself yes that's how it goes 148 00:13:07,780 --> 00:13:12,140 yeah yeah so how is that going how far along are you on the convincing process 149 00:13:12,140 --> 00:13:20,420 as I said I don't care so you wanna what's something you want to explore 150 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:25,500 after the court I mean you probably gonna decompress a little bit and just 151 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:30,060 you know do something that's not an oster for a couple days yeah and then 152 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:34,620 what then naturally is cool that's what the thing 153 00:13:34,620 --> 00:13:42,180 FIPS is cool, and Myco is beautiful, Myco is so buggy the first thing I 154 00:13:42,180 --> 00:13:46,020 want to make it actually work okay fix Myco yes that's the goal 155 00:13:46,020 --> 00:13:51,820 it's Myco all right awesome Arjen will be happy 156 00:13:51,820 --> 00:14:04,100 I hope I hope I hope he won't yell at me say oh you blew up my project we talked a little bit 157 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:12,500 about bringing like going global with Sovereign Engineering what would be your 158 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:17,300 kind of dream destination of where to do a Sovereign Engineering cohort what would 159 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:22,420 be a good place for it's not there Vietnam Thailand Hong Kong is kind of 160 00:14:22,420 --> 00:14:31,180 pricey okay yeah yeah personally I don't like Indonesia too much okay it is my 161 00:14:31,180 --> 00:14:40,500 personal failing okay but but they're a great community in Bali okay good good 162 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:43,900 options good options because we're gonna brainstorm some more okay we're gonna 163 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:49,980 see what happens we'll do we'll do we'll do we'll do a 164 00:14:49,980 --> 00:14:54,260 brainstorm group yeah yeah so we all we made the whole ring any last words I 165 00:14:54,260 --> 00:15:02,140 told you it's gonna be a short one oh okay I kind of feel I'm not sure how 166 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:11,380 many women engineer outside there but I think if you if you're going to plan to 167 00:15:11,380 --> 00:15:16,780 come here just ignore yourself as a woman just be an engineer just do it just 168 00:15:16,780 --> 00:15:21,660 go away exactly just do it yeah we're not we don't discriminate all we need is 169 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:25,820 an npub and some proof of work exactly like we don't look at the gender we 170 00:15:25,820 --> 00:15:30,660 don't even know the gender from the screening process perspective we find out 171 00:15:30,660 --> 00:15:34,580 very late if someone is a woman or not so you're you're already it's when we 172 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:40,300 meet you in real life basically so I want to echo that you know to all the 173 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:44,020 women engineers out there if Nostr is something that interests you or Lightning 174 00:15:44,020 --> 00:15:47,340 or Bitcoin and those kind of things please come please come it was a lot of 175 00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:51,900 fun to have you here exactly very very glad you came thank you so much I'm very 176 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:57,700 glad you organized this big huh until next time yeah and let's see if the 177 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:01,860 recording worked you did really really well that was fantastic thank you so 178 00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:08,660 much all right alcohol helps alcohol always helps what