And we're just going to pass it around, I think.
We can pass both around.
So, how was Sovereign Engineering for you?
Inspiring.
Stressful.
My HRV for the past six weeks is in red.
I asked the wrong person.
I should have asked a different question.
What was the most exciting demo you saw?
I would say Beacon.
Beacon was super exciting.
Secondly, no DNS.
Incredible.
I think Noster agrees.
Beacon has been trending.
Yes.
All right.
I'll ask the next guy.
What was the most exciting demo you saw?
No repeat answers allowed.
Well, as I'm also part of the Beacon project.
No self-promotion and no repeat answers allowed.
We had 100 demos.
20 times 5, 20 times 6 is more than enough.
Really, really cool mapping projects, actually, that are still ongoing.
And the mock demos were also really cool.
So, the media overquick.
The mapping project is basically putting open street maps away from one centralized server, putting it on Noster slash Blossom, right?
Yes, no, maybe?
Maybe.
Putting tiles.
Maybe in the future.
Nosterizing tiles.
Yeah, this is the goal.
But we are not there yet.
But we will get there.
Tell me more about the quick.
What did you find interesting?
I mean, usually when you do something with decentralized networks and you try to do video chat over it, you use WebRTC or something, or SIP in the early days, which all do not work well.
And WebRTC is really complex.
And media overquick is basically a very simple protocol that worked, at least in the demos, reasonably well.
Oh, it works, life.
It's deployed on InPub.
InPub is quick-paced.
That's like an inn where you hang out.
I-N-N, pub.theregg.com.
People hang out there all the time.
There was like eight people yesterday.
Yeah, that's cool.
No, it's exciting.
It seems to be like a good go-to solution if you want to do your own video and audio.
I agree.
Let's pass it on.
Hello.
GM.
Good morning.
What was the most exciting demo for you?
Hypernode is not an option.
I really liked Pete's, the first demo where we had to like race.
I think we were basically like a literal race condition to who could write.
Oh, the...
Who could write to his like Redis adapter last.
The press the button really fast.
Yeah, press the button really fast to get cash in.
Yeah.
I thought that was just great.
It was great showmanship.
That was great.
I actually, I got the e-cash, by the way.
I know there were multiple winners because of how concurrency works, but only one person
is able to claim the e-cash.
This is what I've always been saying.
There is no global, but there's also kind of a global.
There is a universal truth.
Yeah, there is a universal truth.
Even without there being a global.
We might not be able to determine it.
No, that's fair.
It does exist.
I mean, quantum physics would probably agree with that, more or less, in some way, shape,
or form.
I can't do that.
No, that's good.
That's good.
What else?
Give me a second one.
Yeah, I also, the media over quick stuff was cool.
Let me see.
What else happened?
The, the, um, Noah had this demo where he set up a server that set up another server,
like a self-perpetuating server.
There's something very exciting about that.
I don't even know what it's called.
All right.
We'll, we'll ask.
What's it called?
Chrysalis.
It was trying to do a, like a, self-replicating cash, like a cashew mint.
All right.
So it pays for itself.
It pays for itself.
It moves location, then publish it.
Andreas Antonopoulos talked about this seven, eight years ago.
The things that keep themselves alive with Bitcoin.
That's what, that's the idea.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And in theory, it'd be really cool, but it's a lot of work.
Yeah.
So that's your, that's your answer to who is going to run the mints?
Is nobody.
They're going to run themselves?
Yes.
I like it.
And so, yeah, yeah.
So two, two more weeks until it works.
So what's the, what's the ETA?
Uh, two and a half weeks.
Yeah.
You got sidetracked.
I just got to get a couple more credits.
Yeah, the, the, the, the Beacon Cabal.
Uh, yes.
I've been pulled in and I have no other choices other than to keep working on Beacon until
last time.
Yeah.
No, but that's okay.
That's okay.
That's a good excuse.
No, but I like it.
What, what did you like most in terms of demos or anything that stuck out and impressed
you?
Um, I think Pegress is very cool.
Um, what else have we not said?
Retired in a field, obviously.
Oh, well.
Nice to see some funding coming in for, uh.
Oh, yeah.
We're, we're, we're all going to be retarded in some field somewhere.
Um, there's been a lot.
I need to look back through, like there's been a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
I feel like people adhere to the kind of new thing every week.
Yeah.
Pretty well.
Yeah.
So there is like, yeah, I guess there's like 80 different, probably.
Yeah.
I hope, I hope you and the captains did a good job of keeping track of everything and
just.
We have it in our gist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
It's all written down somewhere.
Yeah.
All right.
Awesome.
I heard no DNS mentioned a couple of times.
Yes, no DNS is also very, very cool.
We, we, we'll have to pass it on to no DNS.
Explain no DNS to me like I'm five and drunk.
One of which is true.
Websites, and you don't have to ask daddy.
So how does it work?
You get, um, instead of buying domain names, you'll just claim yours.
Uh, you have an NPUB, your NPUB dot NOSTER is yours and you decide where it points to.
How do you resolve conflicts?
If I want to steal your domain name, how is it, how are, how are conflicts and clashes resolved?
Well, the NPUBs are unique enough.
So your NPUB dot NOSTER is yours and you can prove that it's yours.
So you will publish where you want it to point.
So your DNS records, you publish it and sign it with your, uh, with your NSEC and therefore only you can do that.
So in, in, in some sense it works in the same way how we resolve NOSTER profiles and you can rename yourself to whatever, Jack Dorsey.
And you still have to, and you still have to, you, you, you, you, you, you don't have the talking stick hazard.
Now, now you have the talking stick.
Now I'm going to give it back anyway.
So the, the, the, the onion domains are public keys anyways, but there's just a centralized registry.
This is just onion addresses without a centralized registry.
We have multiple registries and then they fight.
Yes.
And anyone that, uh, wants to resolve it just goes out to the NOSTER relays and gets wherever.
So from your point of view, you have to figure out whom to trust basically, whom to, who says the truth when it's like, I don't know, gg.NOSTER.
Well, that would be on top if you use the short, you're referring to the short names, yeah, if you use the short names, uh, uh, and someone over here made a nice demo, uh, about it is then it's a social problem.
You need to find out who is the end pub and you're going to have to fight over it.
And you'll have to, you'll have to figure it out with the, the existing tools that we have, which is web of trust and proof of work and proof of work.
All right.
Well, do you know much about, uh, Tim's implementation or Tim, Tim's take on ODNS?
How is it different from yours?
Um, I think it's, I think it's useful, but I think it's different in the sense that it's still, uh, it still depends on the existing stack.
Uh, it uses existing DNS providers.
It uses existing, um, uh, certificate authorities.
So in that, in that.
It relies on, on the legacy stack still quite a bit.
Okay.
Yeah, it still does, but it, it does give every end pub some control over some end points.
And in setting up no DNS right now, what does it entail?
Your version of it.
Uh, you would run a DNS resolver locally.
Uh, meaning it, you have to run it on your computer and you configure your whole computer to use that one.
And then any websites, uh, can resolve anything you curl, uh, on your device will work.
And because you run it locally, it can also resolve, uh, certificates.
So, self-signed certificates, so, self-signed certificates by that end pub will resolve and can be added to your trusted store.
So, you, means you can get HTTPS websites with zero authority involved.
All right.
I see.
And I think that's also what triggered Justin into writing his own browser because the issue we have right now is that the, you have to get the browsers to trust these self-signed certificates and all the things.
Yeah.
And if we would only have our own browser that, you know, has different trust assumptions, things, everything would be easier.
Yeah, exactly.
The, most browsers like to babysit their users quite a bit.
Uh, Chrome doesn't work.
Uh, at least Brave doesn't work.
They have their own certificate authorities.
Uh, Firefox is a little iffy.
Uh, Safari surprisingly does trust the system certificate store, but that's because both are Apple.
All right.
Awesome.
We can move on to dolphin sounds and some questions on kangaroos.
Yes.
Thanks.
Can you make those dolphin sounds again, but go really loud into the microphone?
That's pretty good.
That was pretty good.
What, what demo excited you the most except your own?
Oh, this is not my own demo.
Which has been trending on Primal for, for like at least 48 hours.
I mean, I thought you were talking about the Craig David.
Oh, I don't know.
Like I like the no DNS stuff.
I like a lot of the context VM stuff.
Like the boss, the blow VM one was pretty good.
All right.
I mean, that's really practical.
So I like that.
But yeah, the in, in pub, I feel like Paul just like heavily leaned on my shoulders.
So like, maybe that's, I'm supposed to say, but in pub was cool.
Yeah.
Like I could see myself actually using that.
Oh, I've been using it.
I had an official meeting in pub already and eight random people joined my instance.
So it's getting there.
There's still many bugs.
People keep clipping out of rooms and like mobile users are completely fucked because they
can't move.
And the lobby doesn't have sound.
No one gets that.
So, but we're going to fix all that.
Are they bugs or are they just like nature's opportunity?
Exactly.
It's yeah.
Yeah.
That's right.
No, it's all features.
It's all features.
All right.
I'm going to see.
You mentioned context.
Yeah, sure.
Tell us.
Tell us a joke.
You'll have to tell it into the microphone.
Daddy's going to answer it.
Okay.
You do the microphone.
You do the joke.
Okay.
Ready?
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Interrupting chicken.
Interrupting chicken who?
You'll have to do it.
Okay.
Interrupting chicken who?
You're a bit light.
Yeah, it was a bit light.
Who cares?
Yeah.
Okay.
Interrupting chicken.
All right.
Last two minutes.
Hello.
Explain context VM to me like I'm five and drunk.
I'm drunk already, so that's going to be easy.
I mean, we're on a pirate boat.
If you're not drunk on a pirate boat, you're doing something wrong.
Oh, okay.
I'm drunk already, so that's going to be easy.
I mean, we're on a pirate boat.
If you're not drunk on a pirate boat, you're doing something wrong.
All right.
So context VM is like you have a computer that can connect to anything.
You're localhost.
Make localhost great again.
Yeah, exactly.
It's 127 is the only IP address.
The only IP address we're going to need.
127.001.
That's it.
That's the dream.
It banishes the lines between what is local and what is online.
All right.
So you just, you just, you, you request some, you know, MCP tool.
Someone somewhere will respond, potentially your own computer.
I mean, that, I think that this is something more complex that someone with five years old
can understand.
Ah, that's true.
That's true.
Let's say, let's say I'm not five years old.
Let's say I'm only drunk.
Now try again.
Explain it.
Okay.
That's, that's easier.
Okay.
We have, we have a piece of software that is, um, MCP, that is a protocol.
Uh, it can be used to kind of structure the request and responses between client and servers.
Uh, context VM is just basically that, but using Noster as a transport.
So there is nothing else.
Using Noster as a transport layer for MCP.
Yes.
Everyone thinks that, uh, MCP is used for LLMs, but, uh, it's for, for, it's just a protocol.
For anything.
You have another joke?
He didn't have a first joke.
All right.
That was fantastic.
All right.
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
order another round of beers.
And we're gonna see, I think we're gonna leave it at that for now.
And I'll, I'll take you for a walk to talk context VM.
Makes sense.
Maybe tomorrow morning with a hang, hangover or something.
Nice.
But, uh, and yeah, I'll, I'll need some more input on no DNS as well.
But that was good.
Let's leave it at that.
All right.
Big hug.
We're, we're always ending on a hug.
No, here's the joke.
Yeah, here's the joke.
All right.
That's joke.
You just do this.
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Europe.
Europe?
Yeah, Europe.
I'm not a hug.
That's it.
Perfect.
Australian humor.
This guy normally rides a kangaroo.